The Homo Kiss: How Far Is Too Far?

After reading the stream of thoughts on Mormon Enigma’s post on kissing, I started to formulate a comment, but quickly realized there was more I wanted to say than was going to fit there. This is another one of those concepts to which I’ve given considerable thought, and I need a little more space than the comments section allows. I’m going to repeat some thoughts here I shared in an earlier post on my personal blog: Comments on the BYU Honor Code Clarification. I began writing this with the intent of posting it there, but then decided to present it to a wider audience.

When Soulforce came to BYU in March and held a rally at Kiwanis Park in Provo, a gay man who is an active member of the Church, and who affirms homosexual relationships, gave a speech. He did make a couple really good and important points, but by and large I disagreed with what he said—particularly the foundational premise upon which he spoke. It was clear to me that I have a fundamentally different understanding of the gospel and plan of salvation than he does. He continually twisted and mis-contextualized scripture to fit his own ideology. The textual criticism term for this is “eisegesis”—the process of interpreting a text by reading into it one’s own ideas—as compared with “exegesis,” which is the process of interpreting a text in the context of the time, place, and purpose in which it was written. The sad thing is that he’s fallen into the same tragic error as others who misuse some biblical verses in their personal approaches to condemning homosexuality. I couldn’t help but feel his expectations of change in the Church are naive, futile, and neither spiritually nor doctrinally sound.

As is probably universally understood by now, BYU posted a revised Honor Code clarification statement on regarding homosexual behavior and advocacy two or three months ago. Part of the revised statement reads as follows:

The Honor Code requires all members of the university community to manifest a strict commitment to the law of chastity. Homosexual behavior or advocacy of homosexual behavior are inappropriate and violate the Honor Code. Homosexual behavior includes not only sexual relations between members of the same sex, but all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings. Advocacy includes seeking to influence others to engage in homosexual behavior or promoting homosexual relations as being morally acceptable.

I state this as a form of intro for my remarks because BYU Honor Code policies are intended to be founded upon Church doctrines. One of those stated doctrines is the “law” of chastity. “Laws,” generally, are formed around “principles.” My understanding is that God often gives laws or commandments without fully explaining the principles behind them, but that He also intends for us to seek to understand and internalize the core principles of the gospel and of eternal progression—having them written upon the fleshly tables of the heart—and have them be the eternal ideals upon which we guide our mortal lives.

There is an important gospel principle here that I think a lot of people who “promot[e] homosexual relations as being morally acceptable” miss—particularly those who decry BYU or the Church as having a double standard for allowing heterosexuals to kiss and hold hands and not homosexuals.

For example, take the Affirmation: Gay and Lesbian Mormons commentary on the following statement by President Hinckley, as quoted in the San Francisco Chronicle on March 13, 1997:

Now, we have gays in the church. Good people. We take no action against such people?provided they don’t become involved in transgression, sexual transgression. If they do, we do with them exactly what we’d do with heterosexuals who transgress. We have a very strong moral teaching concerning abstinence before marriage and total fidelity following marriage. And, regardless of whether they’re heterosexuals or otherwise, if they step over that line there are certain sanctions, certain penalties that are imposed.

The Standard is not what’s acceptable behavior, and when, for two people who feel affection for one another, or who think they are in love, regardless of the nature of the individuals’ gender. This is where the individual who spoke at the Kawanis Park rally was way off. The Standard, as far as Latter-day Saint doctrines go, is the eternal nature of sexuality, the duality of gender, and the joining of that duality for eternal purposes. I don’t fully understand the principle behind the importance of that duality, but I do believe it is important or those whom the Lord has called would not feel so strongly impressed to stress it again and again.

If we believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints being the Lord’s vehicle to preach its restored fullness, then we need to understand the fundamental premise underlying the Church’s position on homosexuality. In a conference address, President Hinckley stated:

In His grand design, when God first created man, He created a duality of the sexes. The ennobling expression of that duality is found in marriage. One individual is complementary to the other. As Paul stated, “Neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord” (1 Corinthians 11:11).

There is no other arrangement that meets the divine purposes of the Almighty. Man and woman are His creations. Their duality is His design. Their complementary relationships and functions are fundamental to His purposes. One is incomplete without the other.

In an official statement by President Hinckley and his counselors in the First Presidency, Presidents Thomas S. Monson and James E. Faust, they wrote:

We of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints reach out with understanding and respect for individuals who are attracted to those of the same gender. We realize there may be great loneliness in their lives but there must also be recognition of what is right before the Lord.

As a doctrinal principle, based on sacred scripture, we affirm that marriage between a man and a woman is essential to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children. The powers of procreation are to be exercised only between a man and a woman lawfully wedded as husband and wife.

Any other sexual relations, including those between persons of the same gender, undermine the divinely created institution of the family. The Church accordingly favors measures that define marriage as the union of a man and a woman and that do not confer legal status on any other sexual relationship.

Again, when the Kiwanis rally speaker suggested that homosexuality is merely another morally and spiritually legitimate (eternally speaking) form of love’s expression, which is the foundational premise of the gospel, I suggest that this idea is naïve, incomplete, and spiritually dangerous (eternally speaking). Don’t get me wrong; I believe absolutely that love is central to the gospel of Christ. It must be remembered however that any text—or principle—can take on additional, or different, meaning given the larger context. When it comes to sexuality, the fundamental premise of the gospel is what President Hinckley and the Proclamation on the Family have stated regarding our eternal potential within the Plan of Salvation and the centrality of opposite-sex relationships in our ultimately reaching that potential. Mormon cosmology, if accepted, is unique and must transform our understanding of, and approach to, love’s expression.

So, with that said, is kissing okay? I agree with Mormon Enigma that it depends on the intent. We live in a largely homophobic culture that seems irrationally averse to any same-sex affection that might be perceived as gay. Hence, the required three *I’m-not-gay* back-pats in the male-male hug. On the opposite side of that is the irrational homosexual paradigm in which any form of same-sex intimacy is automatically perceived as ?gay.? Hence, the insistence by some that David and Jonathon, and even Jesus and John the Beloved, were gay because they felt deep love for one another. I suggest that any “gay” person who can’t grasp the concept of rich same-sex affection, love, and intimacy without it being romantic or sexual in nature is as immature in their understanding of love and human connection as their “straight” counterparts.

When the Honor Code released its revised clarification statement on homosexual behavior, there was some [in my mind, irrational] speculation that any form of expressed same-sex affection was going to be subject to Honor Code investigation. Perhaps I’m overly optimistic about the maturity level of the BYU student body—or the general Church membership, to generalize this—but I don’t see that as being a problem. I think the principles involved are pretty clear. When the statement proscribes “all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings,” it’s referring to just that—not expressions of same-sex affection, but those expressions that are more than platonic in nature. Those expressions which are inherently romantic or sexual in nature. To me, it’s clear that they are speaking to those who think they can have a same-sex boy/girlfriend and hold hands and kiss on campus (or anywhere for that matter) and think they’re not 1) breaking the Honor Code or 2) acting contrarily to the measure of our creation simply because they’re not having sex. Same-sex romantic relationships—given Church teaching regarding the centrality of opposite-sex relationships in the plan of salvation—simply don’t work either, and are in violation of both Church and gospel ideals.

So, again, is kissing okay? It depends. The question is intent. I’ve kissed a man—on the lips, even—when there was absolutely zero romantic feeling or sexual charge involved. But there was genuine affection. I would to it again, given appropriate context and mutual understanding. I don’t believe that type of affection in any way violates gospel strictures (though it may violate cultural strictures) on romantic or sexual expression. I’ve held hands with a guy in the same context. I’ve also kissed and held hands in contexts which were very much romantic in nature, and they were two very different experiences—giving rise and expression to very different feelings and emotions.

I agree with Kengo Biddles (see Comment #5) that we’re probably not culturally equipped—or culturally mature enough—for that level of affection, though I’m sure there are a great many individuals within our culture who are. So, what do we do with that? Do we fly in the face of social norm? I can really only speak for myself when I say I’m willing to do that, but with limits. I’m not willing to be held hostage to a cultural system I don’t necessarily believe in or feel is emotionally healthy, but to arrogantly flaunt my own beliefs before others who I know are going to be uncomfortable doesn’t seem very humble or Christ-like, either. I think it requires sensitivity and spiritual maturity, and that’s something that each individual has to work out for him- or herself.

With that said, I do believe there are some contexts in which the behavior standards are, or should be, the same. When it comes to confession of sexual transgression, I don’t think the lines crossed before confession is necessary are different, whether the sexual transgression is heterosexual or homosexual. If there has been any sexual contact, including what is often referred to as “petting,” confession to the proper priesthood authority is required in the repentance process.

At the same time, the line of transgression which requires Priesthood assistance in the repentance process is not the line which requires personal repentance. Any time our thoughts (i.e. entertaining immoral fantasy or lust) or behavior are out of harmony with the divine nature God desires us to be converted to, we need to change. Does a heterosexual boy who wants a hot NCMO just to get some play—even if there are no “lines” crossed—need to repent? Absolutely. That behavior seems to be to be entirely out of harmony with principles of chastity and purity of heart. Does that process require confession to a Bishop? My understanding is that it doesn’t.

I worked as an EFY counselor during summers in college, and often the question of youth was, “How far can I go before I have to see the Bishop?” Something about this always struck me as odd. Rephrase: “How *bad* can I be and still be *good*?” Perhaps the problem is not so much *behavior* as it is *heart*.

The phrase “those who hunger and thirst after righteousness” comes to mind.

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About Ty Ray

Ty Mansfield is a practicing marriage and family therapist and currently lives with his wife and son in Texas doing doctoral work in family therapy. He enjoys playing racquetball, participating in triathlons, eating Thai food, and thinks that the greatest technological advancement of the 21st century was the invention of the iPhone (he might even be a little obsessed with it). Ty is a co-author with Fred and Marilyn Matis of In Quiet Desperation and later compiled an anthology of devotional articles by gospel scholars and personal essays by individuals who experience same-sex attraction, title Voices of Hope. More recently, he and his wife, Danielle, wrote a cover story for the May/June 2012 issue of LDS Living magazine. Some of the topics currently on Ty's mind (and which will likely be the topic of his posts) include same-sex emotional intimacy and friendship, intersections of Eastern thought and sexuality, and the dynamics of marriage when one partner experiences same-sex attraction.
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12 Responses to The Homo Kiss: How Far Is Too Far?

  1. avatar O-Mo says:

    Amen to the cultural vs. gospel distinction and the existence of emotional and physical intimacy independent of romantic attraction.

    I am one who still holds some concern that the wording of the honor code leaves room for hypervindictive anti-homos. But for the most part, I think most reasonable people will not abuse it, and the wording is good (at the very least MUCH better than the previous wording). The wording that concerns me is “all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings”. Now, if you look at the word “homosexual”, it may seem clear to those of us who have thought about this issue enough to see a distinction between sexual and affectionate feelings. But in our culture, that distinction is not typically made, and I think most conservative mormons will see “homosexual” and think “any expression of affection or physical contact between two people who are attracted to members of the same sex, regardless of whether they are ‘partners’, because all affectionate contact has the potential to become sexual.” Think like a small-town ultra-conservative (there are a few of those in mormon circles), and that phrase becomes a little worrisome. Hopefully, people on BYU’s campus have enough wisdom to see beyond their own paradigms. For the most part, I think they do.

    I also shy away from drawing lines where confession is necessary…because I think it’s very individual and subjective. But there are certain things that I think just about any bishop would say you definitely need to come see him about. “Heavy petting” may be one of those things. And there are clear guidelines from numerous general authorities about such. …I always thought “heavy petting” meant just…passionate embracing and movement of hands…but are they meaning….petting of…certain…? Oh my gosh. I think I just experienced a paradigm shift.

  2. Tito; I’m flattered that you find my comment worthy of note, but I must sincerely thank you for this post. It’s great, and I really do agree with what you’ve written in this post.

  3. avatar Tito says:

    I also shy away from drawing lines where confession is necessary?because I think it?s very individual and subjective. But there are certain things that I think just about any bishop would say you definitely need to come see him about.

    Yeah, I get this. I was hesitant to write about it, because I think there could be appropriate variation, and there needs to be sincere counsel with the Lord in such an action. But the questions from EFY youth about when behavior requires confession came up so often that session leaders usually a couple GA quotes on hand. I can’t remember any references now, but they were usually pretty consistent that anytime there was any “touching” or sexual contact between bodies, with or without clothing, there should be confession and Priesthood assistance in the repentance process.

    My point, I guess, is that if I were to ever have a weak moment with some guy and do a little smooching, I don’t feel I would need to confess that with the bishop–though I do feel I would need to do some sincere soul searching about what I wanted in both this life and the next, where such behavior would lead me, and make some heartfelt changes. I also feel that if I were to cross any lines of even minor sexual contact, I would need to confess to priesthood authority–the same line I understand to be common to heterosexual transgression.

    Perhaps there’s more nuance I’m not thinking of, and if anyone has anything to say on it, I’d love to hear it.

  4. avatar playasinmar says:

    “Do we fly in the face of social norm?”

    Yes. We’re gay. We are what flies in the face of every social norm.

    “…to arrogantly flaunt my own [needed affection] before others who I know are going to be uncomfortable doesn?t seem very humble or Christ-like…”

    Well, I don’t imagine you’re the one not being Christ-like. Heaven forbid our existence put anyone else’s Christ-like love and understanding to the test.

    And so we see we can’t ever share any touch with anyone.

    So I’m alone. I’m an island. I’m the dadgum Fortess of Solitude.

    Anything but a man.

  5. avatar Tito says:

    “Yes. We?re gay. We are what flies in the face of every social norm.”

    That’s not what I’m talking about. It’s one thing to “be gay”; it’s quite another thing to be skipping through streets during a Pride Parade in my rainbow thong, making out with my partner, and carrying a sign that reads: “Got Lube?” (Yes, it’s been done.)

    There are confident, yet non-arrogant and non-presumptuous ways to live our beliefs. Taking care of myself and pursuing my “needed affection” needs not be flaunting, arrogant, or cynical.

  6. avatar playasinmar says:

    “…it?s quite another thing to be skipping through streets during a Pride Parade in my rainbow thong, making out with my partner, and carrying a sign that reads: ?Got Lube?? (Yes, it?s been done.)”

    So it’s “been done.” Everything’s “been done.” Somebody somewhere is doing something inappropriate right now.

    But it’s not just rainbow thongs and “Got Lube” signs, is it? You can be gay in a parade or you can be gay and have kids or you can be a gay, clean-cut marine.

    They still fear us. They believe in fearing us. If we fear sharing affection do we fear ourselves? Does that justify their distrust of us?

    What does not sharing affection gain us?

    What does not sharing affection gain us?

  7. avatar Tito says:

    What you’re saying here completely misses the essence of what I was trying to say. You’re sensationalizing the point. I never said anything about not sharing affection.

  8. avatar playasinmar says:

    No, you didn’t. You said one reason to not share affection is because it makes heterosexuals uncomfortable.

    “…but to arrogantly flaunt my own beliefs [about expressing affection with another man] before others who I know are going to be uncomfortable doesn?t seem very humble or Christ-like, either.”

    The notion inspired me to ask two questions: “Do we remain without affection because heterosexuals are uncomfortable?” And, “Is there any point in trying to coddle heterosexuals in their misunderstanding of what affection homosexual men actually need?”

  9. avatar Tito says:

    You’ll have to answer your own questions. The point of my writing this was to reframe the foundational premise the beliefs and actions of believing Latter-day Saints should be built upon. My point was NOT to explicate the dos and donts of public platonic same-sex affection. It has nothing to do with “being gay”; rather, it’s about expressing and receiving affection with same-sex peers that isn’t sexual or romantic in it’s nature—but in forms more foreign to our culture and, hence, potentially uncomfortable to some. My comments were to point out the need to be sensitive and mature in striking the balance in expressing that affection without being arrogant about it. Perhaps you missed the key words. Again, the entire paragraph in context,

    Do we fly in the face of social norm? I can really only speak for myself when I say I?m willing to do that, but with limits. I?m not willing to be held hostage to a cultural system I don?t necessarily believe in or feel is emotionally healthy, but to arrogantly flaunt my own beliefs before others who I know are going to be uncomfortable doesn?t seem very humble or Christ-like, either. I think it requires sensitivity and spiritual maturity, and that?s something that each individual has to work out for him- or herself.

  10. avatar Rose says:

    I’ve shared one scripture and one quote from “Stand a little Taller” each working day with my SSA brother/friend since Jan. Today, the message I shared with him Acknowledging God. I just thought it might be appropreate to share here.

    Acknowledging God

    Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility. Proverbs 18:12

    It is acknowledgement of the Almighty that gives civility and refinement to our actions. It is accountability to Him that brings discipline into our lives. It is gratitude for His gracious favors that takes from us the arrogance to which we are so prone. President Hinckley

    I agreed with Tito. I think it’s not about sharing affection would makes people uncomfortable, so we shouldn’t express affection in front of people. Peronsonally I think it’s about our discipline, refinement and the accountability to Him. Just like I wouldn’t want to wear bikinis and walk on the street to show people how beautiful woman body could be or french kiss a guy in the single’s ward to show how great that is to have someone to love. (just examples) I saw the news about the pride parade. I thought those guys were pretty brave actually, not like I agreed or disagreed what they did, but they were brave to send the message out that they honor and love their choices of their lifestyle. But at the same time, I was afraid that they also sent some other messages to the society and it might cause even more misunderstanding and damage. But no matter what people think or do, we do have our choices to act and process our thoughts in a way would be harmony to God’s teaching. Just a thought. =)

  11. avatar playasinmar says:

    Thanks, Rose. It’s a nice thought and well put.

    Affection isn’t designed to make others uncomfortable but if others do get uncomfortable I wonder how much I really want to care. Is itheir discomfort their hang-up or my fault, I wonder?

    “Just like I wouldn?t want to wear bikinis and walk on the street to show people how beautiful woman body could be or french kiss a guy in the single?s ward to show how great that is to have someone to love. (just examples)”

    I think that’s pretty funny and to quote Brian on Family Guy, “Are you enjoying your trip back to 1955?”

    :D

  12. avatar Briguy says:

    Thanks so much for this post! As a current BYU student who experiences SSA, I have been trying to navigate the lines of the Honor Code and church doctrine, and the norms of our society. As I was reading this post, I found myself agreeing with what was written, and finding that many of the points were exactly in line with my thinking as well. For me, this has been a difficult journey in understanding what is “appropriate” and what isn’t, because the last thing I want is my church standing and schooling to be in jeopardy. I feel a lot better now :). Again, I express gratitude for your thoughts and your time in writing this post!

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